The Choices of Master Samwise

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The Choices of Master Samwise

Post by Sam Gamgee » Sat Dec 13, 2003 12:22 am

I just finished reading TTT a few days ago.. (for the 5th time... GOOD book...) If you haven't read it, STOP READING NOW - this scene was not in the ttt movie either.

Anyway, as the name might kind of hint upon, my favorite part is the Choices of Master Samwise. That's such a sad and yet moving chapter - Sam torn between his love of his master and his sense of duty.
In the end he chooses to act out of his love.

In once sense I can understand that, but at the same time it really bothers me. Sam has the fate of the whole world resting on his shoulders. Going after Frodo is a pretty hopeless mission, and it was an incredible stroke of luck that he wasn't captured. What if he had failed? What if an orc had caught him? Would we consider his decision to be right then? Wouldn't we say that he should have gone to fulfill his duty.

But then again, what is Sam's duty? Is it to save the world? or look after his master? Tolkien seems to be saying that it is to protect his master, but that's always kind of bothered me. Risk the world for one person?

Anyway, if any of ye other intelligent forum readers have any thoughts on this, I would be glad to hear of them.
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Re: The Choices of Master Samwise

Post by MayorOfLongview » Sat Dec 13, 2003 6:12 am

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But then again, what is Sam's duty? Is it to save the world? or look after his master? Tolkien seems to be saying that it is to protect his master, but that's always kind of bothered me. Risk the world for one person?

The charge was upon Frodo only. Sam was the emotional sort, and as Sam - he just had to act like Sam. That's why we love him. God risked a lot for just a few when he created mankind. He knew the outcome, and for the sake of love - gave us life anyway.
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Post by Sam Gamgee » Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:06 pm

But.. i don't know. It just doesn't seem satisfying. he says himself that Frodo was given companions so that the quest might not fail. And I know that's how Sam is, and he could not have chosen anything different. But was that really the right choice? It seems somewhat "selfish" - not exactly, since the last person Sam thinks of is himself, but he's only thinking of Frodo instead of the rest of the world. That kind of bothers me.
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Post by idoron » Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:26 am

The quest of the Ring was Frodo's.

Sam's quest: "Don't you leave him, Samwise Gamgee"

In the movie, laid on him by Gandalf, in the books, an elf met by chance.

At the Council the oath of each memeber other than Frodo is to go with and aid Frodo as they will.

Eh?
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Post by Sam Gamgee » Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:07 pm

But what if Frodo were to be - say, trapped beyond rescue in a huge watchtower brimming with orcs? I mean, why does Frodo have to bear the Ring and not someone else, if he were in a hopewless situation?
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Post by idoron » Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:20 pm

Elrond (in Sams hearing): If you don't find a way, no one will.

So as far as Sam knows, unless Frodo comes down out of that tower, it's over.
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Post by Bnielsen » Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:09 pm

I know this is like sacrilage but...

In the Star Trek movies, theres a quote that goes,
"But the good of the many outweighs the good of the one."
"Sometimes the good of the one, outweighs the good of the many."
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Post by Sam Gamgee » Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:17 pm

DO NOT PROFANE THIS FORUM WITH THAT FOUL, UNCOUTH DIALOGUE!! :evil:

(well you wanted a reaction, right?)
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Post by idoron » Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:32 pm

This topic is dead, Jim.

Unless we try a radical untested theory involving an ensign.
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Post by Bozo » Thu May 26, 2005 12:01 pm

Well lets try a new approach. It´s a proven fact that people who sind part of Catastrophys (sinking ships etc...) only survive when they think with heart not with mind. People who reasons can´t think of a way out, people who thinks about there love ones never give up and will find a way. I think this is about the same what happend with Sam he tought with heart and not wit head. Because if he had tought resonable it wouldn´t have made any sence going back, but he saw his own survival chance in the survival of Frodo.
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Post by Sam Gamgee » Thu May 26, 2005 1:53 pm

that is true, i guess, as beings ruled by will and intellect both, not only one or the other.
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Post by theHermit » Thu May 26, 2005 5:24 pm

Sam, is your new avatar from Hellsing or Vampire Hunter D (or neither!).

Off topic a bit I know!

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Post by Sam Gamgee » Thu May 26, 2005 5:39 pm

Ah! Two of my favorite anime! Yes, it's Hellsing! Doesn't it rock?! Good show, good show. Rated R for a reason, not particularly deep or meaningful, but it's like junk food. In moderation it really hits the spot. :twisted: :) The animation is so unique and crisp, with the shading and everything - the faces (at least alucard's) are much more 3D than in most anime, and the way they use black in the shading is just really cool.) Vampire Hunter D (bloodlust) is really good too, though. :) Some of it is really dumb, but as a whole it's very beautiful in its animation style and unique in its story. With cool battles.

Although for two cool characters, Alucard and D, you think they'd hire people who can act!! Alucard sounds too much like someone trying desperately sound cool in a low voice and D is more of a mellow character so he doesn't have to act much, but please, someone give him a British accent or something, because really, you can't have as much respect for this kind of character if he sounds like a loser American bum (which he does)... And don't even get me started on the hand. :lol: Oh well, Hellsing you can watch in Japanese to disguise Alucard's lack of acting and it's suddenly all cool again, even if VHD is only in english (my version at least).
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