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Required reading for Tolkien fans

Post by Sam Gamgee » Mon Dec 29, 2003 1:05 pm

If you love Tolkien, you must read Beowulf. it's so cool! You see direct influences on the Hobbit, but the origins of Rohan and some Silmarillionlike stories at the same time. I highly recommend this book! And it's not super hard reading, either. It's kind of confusing, especially when they start to tell really long stories in the middle of the book and you get confused whether it's happening at the time of the book or if it's just a story, but other than that, it's fairly straightfoward. I read it in 8th grade (it was in our lit course), and we had a teacher to help us, but we did read it and understand it fairly well. It's actually fairly short, too.

Everybody always talks about the Iliad and the Odyssey being such classics. They are, but Beowulf is better.

Has anyone else read it?
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Re: Required reading for Tolkien fans

Post by idoron » Mon Dec 29, 2003 2:23 pm

Sam Gamgee wrote:If you love Tolkien, you must read Beowulf. it's so cool! You see direct influences on the Hobbit, but the origins of Rohan and some Silmarillionlike stories at the same time. I highly recommend this book! And it's not super hard reading, either. It's kind of confusing, especially when they start to tell really long stories in the middle of the book and you get confused whether it's happening at the time of the book or if it's just a story, but other than that, it's fairly straightfoward. I read it in 8th grade (it was in our lit course), and we had a teacher to help us, but we did read it and understand it fairly well. It's actually fairly short, too.

Everybody always talks about the Iliad and the Odyssey being such classics. They are, but Beowulf is better.

Has anyone else read it?
What do you think? It was a long time ago and i actually read a particularly difficult translation. (I have a degree in Literature and Language so i had to read parts of it in the original. Not easy.)

David Salo (Famous Tolkienien Linguist, wrote the elfish lines for the films) described Rohan as "Beowulf + horses"

Pop quiz: What name did Tolkien take directly from beowulf?
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Post by Sam Gamgee » Mon Dec 29, 2003 6:44 pm

Hama, guard of Rohan. He also took Froda, but since the general european form of feminine is "a", he changed it to an "o" so we wouldn't get confused.

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Post by idoron » Mon Dec 29, 2003 8:44 pm

Sam Gamgee wrote:Hama, guard of Rohan. He also took Froda, but since the general european form of feminine is "a", he changed it to an "o" so we wouldn't get confused.

I love that book.
Ooops. Not specific enough. Which <b>placename</b>?
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Post by Sam Gamgee » Mon Dec 29, 2003 10:40 pm

Place name? :( I never remember places, for some reason. I remember numbers and people, but not usually places. Oh, and horses I always remember. (Example: Aragorn - Roherryn; Eorl - Felarof; Fingolfin - Rochallor, etc. Isn't that weird? Now the only one I don't remember is Oromë's. :oops: Hm... I'll hve to read the Sil again.)

Oh, right, places for Beowulf. Nope, sorry, don't know. Haven't read that book for 4 years.
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Post by idoron » Tue Dec 30, 2003 12:03 am

Sam Gamgee wrote:Place name? :( I never remember places, for some reason. I remember numbers and people, but not usually places. Oh, and horses I always remember. (Example: Aragorn - Roherryn; Eorl - Felarof; Fingolfin - Rochallor, etc. Isn't that weird? Now the only one I don't remember is Oromë's. :oops: Hm... I'll hve to read the Sil again.)

Oh, right, places for Beowulf. Nope, sorry, don't know. Haven't read that book for 4 years.
Hint: It's in Rohan.
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Post by Sam Gamgee » Tue Dec 30, 2003 12:09 am

I know it has to do with the hall that what's-his-name builds... (ok, i know i remember characters a lot, but they kind of get blurry after 4 years) Meduseld? not edoras... I forgot.
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Post by idoron » Tue Dec 30, 2003 12:41 am

Sam Gamgee wrote:I know it has to do with the hall that what's-his-name builds... (ok, i know i remember characters a lot, but they kind of get blurry after 4 years) Meduseld? not edoras... I forgot.
Ding ding ding, Sam Gamgee you're the Winner! The Golden Hall in Edoras shares it's name with beowulfs hall. Meduseld.
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Post by Sam Gamgee » Tue Dec 30, 2003 1:33 pm

Haha! Yay! :)

Wait, Beowulf's hall? I thought it was the Danes' hall. Like the one that Grendel attacked everyone in. Hm...
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Post by idoron » Tue Dec 30, 2003 3:05 pm

Sam Gamgee wrote:Haha! Yay! :)

Wait, Beowulf's hall? I thought it was the Danes' hall. Like the one that Grendel attacked everyone in. Hm...
I believe so. Then again, I had to read a good portion of it in the original language so I didn't grasp and don't remember a lot of it.
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Post by Sam Gamgee » Tue Dec 30, 2003 3:08 pm

*jaw drops* You know anglo-saxon????
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Post by idoron » Tue Dec 30, 2003 3:11 pm

Sam Gamgee wrote:*jaw drops* You know anglo-saxon????
No. My Degree is in English Language and Literature. So for one of my 300 level classes we had to read it stag. Like i said, I didn't grasp a lot of it.
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Post by Sam Gamgee » Tue Dec 30, 2003 3:13 pm

Well, wait... That's technically not the original language then. Maybe a really old translation, but it was first recorded in Anglo-Saxon... Right?
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Post by idoron » Tue Dec 30, 2003 3:30 pm

Sam Gamgee wrote:Well, wait... That's technically not the original language then. Maybe a really old translation, but it was first recorded in Anglo-Saxon... Right?
I blocked most of that class out. Cause, well, I had to read Beowulf like that. I believe was recorded in Old English (the kind no one would recognize if they saw it old english).

Just looked it up. The poem is A-S in origin but recorded in OE.

According to "my sources" ;)
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Post by Sam Gamgee » Tue Dec 30, 2003 4:20 pm

The type of Old English that is basically like the language of the Rohirrim then. It's more Germanic than english, isn't it? How on earth could they make you read it like that?
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