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The Eagles Are Coming

Post by MayorOfLongview » Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:54 am

I'm re-reading the Sil right now, and just discovered that the 'eagles' weren't eagles at all. Anyone remember that obscure mention in the Sil?
They were spirits who took the form of eagles - not eagles.
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Post by Sam Gamgee » Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:51 pm

Wow! I never noticed that! Cool! They're lower then Maiar though, probably, so any further mention of what type they are? Or are they technically not considered Ainur at all? Or would you even have any idea?

That's awesome though!
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Post by MayorOfLongview » Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:38 am

Sam Gamgee wrote:Wow! I never noticed that! Cool! They're lower then Maiar though, probably, so any further mention of what type they are? Or are they technically not considered Ainur at all? Or would you even have any idea?

That's awesome though!


I suppose the were created by Iluvatar at the beginning. Lesser than maiar perhaps, but spirits.
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Post by idoron » Sun Jan 11, 2004 3:30 pm

Yes, I do remember that. Actually since RotK came out I have been explaining that to all my friends and family.

Friends/Fam: What's up with the eagles?
iDoron: Well, actually...
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Post by idoron » Sun Jan 11, 2004 3:43 pm

SAT (Silmarillion Apptitude Test) Question:

Eagles are to Manwe as
Ents are to ??


Granted, it's easy.
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Post by Sam Gamgee » Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:29 pm

Oromë. I was going to say Yavanna, but she's more of the Entwife type than the deep powerful woods type.
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Post by idoron » Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:50 pm

Oh, sorry!

(Re)Read Chapter 2 of Quenta Silmarillion.
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Post by Sam Gamgee » Sun Jan 11, 2004 5:13 pm

"Oh, sorry"?

What are you talking about? Was that supposed to be "No, sorry"? I'm so confused.
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Post by idoron » Sun Jan 11, 2004 5:45 pm

Either one. Have you read the text?
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Post by MayorOfLongview » Mon Jan 12, 2004 8:47 am

Addtionally, the spiders that Ungolient mated with (and then ate) don't seem to be actual spiders either. Eagles ain't eagels and spiders ain't spiders. What's the world coming to (or from as the case may be).
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Post by idoron » Mon Jan 12, 2004 9:34 am

Well, I think they <i>are</i> Eagles and Spiders, but not the kind you would find in Audobon Guides. Manwe calls them Eagles, which is good enough for me, since he made them. They are just not "natural" eagles (or spiders).
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Post by MayorOfLongview » Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:44 am

idoron wrote:Well, I think they <i>are</i> Eagles and Spiders, but not the kind you would find in Audobon Guides. Manwe calls them Eagles, which is good enough for me, since he made them. They are just not "natural" eagles (or spiders).


Yes, but aren't they referred to as "spirits who took the form of eagles"? Steve
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Post by idoron » Tue Jan 13, 2004 9:20 am

As I recall, yes. But Manwe also calls them "The Eagles of Manwe."

Much like, I suppose, Gandalf, a spirit who isn't actually human, but looks like one, smells like one, sounds like one...so I guess Gandalf is a duck. :wink:

Eagle Classification:
Genus: Eagles
Species: Natural Eagle, Spirit Eagle
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Post by Bnielsen » Tue Jan 13, 2004 12:52 pm

idoron wrote:Gandalf, a spirit who isn't actually human, but looks like one, smells like one, sounds like one...so I guess Gandalf is a duck. :wink:

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Post by Alatar » Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:05 am

Bnielsen wrote:If Gandolf is a duck, then I'll eat my left shoe.


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