Witch-King of Angmar?

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Witch-King of Angmar?

Post by Belithraldor » Wed Jan 05, 2005 8:48 am

I use the "Encyclopedia of Arda" as well as "The Thain's Book". for my Tolkein references. They are both online. However, I was looking for some info on the Witch-King of Angmar. I can't find and sources which give me any insight as to his origin, name, or anything. Did Tolkein leave out the info? I know that the Nazgul directly under the Witch-King is "Khamûl" He was an Easterling. I know he was one of the nie kings of men to receive a ring of power; however, in Pete Jackson's movie, when Kate Blanchett is narrating the prologue of how the rings came into being, I was looking at the screenshot of the nine kings and they all looked like men from Gondor and like kingdoms.

Anybody have any thoughts about this?
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Post by Sam Gamgee » Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:18 am

I wrote you out a nice long summary of the history of Angmar and Arnor, but I hit a button and it's gone. :( So I'll say a little more later, but not now because I'm supposed to be working a while ago. :oops:
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Some random factettes about the Witch King

Post by Octavian » Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:22 am

The Witch King is known as Murazor, though I get confused between what Tolkien wrote and what is in the influential ICE roleplaying world of Lord of the Rings. Some of the below will not be from Tolkien, but will be extrapolations by other authors - I run a game based on the ICE Middle-earth Roleplaying system... :)

He's the top Nazgul. He moved to Angmar around 1200 3rd Age and attacked Arnor, crushing the lands of Cardolan and Rhudaur but foundering against the heart of Arnor (which became Arthedain)

Again he attacked in the Kin Strife 1400 3rd age and was repelled.

In 1650 I think he got routed out of Angmar during the wars and relocated to Mordor, rebuilding his strength up until his death in 2950 by Eowyn and friend.

He carries his Morgul blade, his crown Thologaer Cirytano, his Mace Nallagurth.

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Post by Belithraldor » Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:35 am

Thanks to Sam Roads, I found this site that's interesting....

Er-Mûrazor - The Witch-King - Lord of the Nazgûls
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Post by Belithraldor » Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:55 pm

I was also wondering how long it took the forces of good to get to the Black Gate from Pelennor Fields to fight the Battle of Morannon.
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Post by Sam Gamgee » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:19 pm

The only real Nazgûl name Tolkien invented was Khamûl. So the Witch King doesn't really have a name, Murazor or otherwise, nor do his weapons/crown.

I would just like to add that the Barrow Downs are so creepy and dangerous because they are the site of many of the battles between Angmar and Arnor (the northern branch of the Numenorean kingdom - the southern one is Gondor. By Bilbo's time all that was left of Arnor were a couple of ruins, like big stones and Weathertop, and the group of rangers.). The Witch King was feared for his powers of necromancy (which he got from Sauron, who was himself known as "the Necromancer" in The Hobbit), and it is because of his lingering power that there are wights and ghoulies on the downs in the first place. The dreams the hobbits have and the robes/jewels they're wearing there also are from these battles between Angmar and Arnor. Doesn't that chapter make a little bit of sense now? :)

As for the time line on the march, someone check the timeline in the appendices. I don't currently have a copy available.
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Post by Bnielsen » Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:18 pm

I didn't like the barrow bits...
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Re: Some random factettes about the Witch King

Post by idoron » Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:27 am

Sam Roads wrote:The Witch King is known as Murazor, though I get confused between what Tolkien wrote and what is in the influential ICE roleplaying world of Lord of the Rings. Some of the below will not be from Tolkien, but will be extrapolations by other authors - I run a game based on the ICE Middle-earth Roleplaying system... :)...
Most of this stuff is from the Game. Tolkien didn't cannonize a lot of Nazgul stuff, though some gems can be found in the HOME series.
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Post by Belithraldor » Fri Jan 07, 2005 1:08 pm

I was thinking that maybe Christopher Tolkein named the rest of the nine.....
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Post by idoron » Sat Jan 15, 2005 10:31 pm

Belithraldor wrote:I was thinking that maybe Christopher Tolkein named the rest of the nine.....
No, they come from the Middle Earth role playing series.
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Post by Belithraldor » Mon Jan 17, 2005 7:49 am

idoron wrote:
Belithraldor wrote:I was thinking that maybe Christopher Tolkein named the rest of the nine.....
No, they come from the Middle Earth role playing series.
Ahhhh....

Makes sense....
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